The whole Jesus thing gets confused sometimes, I think.
My thought sitting on the toilet yesterday was, obviously Jesus lived a perfect, sinless life. That’s a no brainer. He “had” to live a perfect life to be the “blameless sacrifice” (or did he?) or whatnot….but if in fact as is claimed he is truly fully God, he didn’t have the capability to sin. So temptation could be thrown his way, but it didn’t matter. It’s like, hey, look at me, in a full fire resist armor set with a 100% fire resist ring on for good measure. Keep throwin those fireballs at me mage boy, but it’s not going to do much good. I retain the capacity to HAVE a fireball thrown at me, but by virtue of who I am (and my sweet armor set), it doesn’t really matter. God cannot sin; wrongdoing is not doing as God wishes. So I don’t think it matters that Jesus lived a perfect life. I don’t think that’s even a small part of the point. What is the point?
Anonymous
Way to use and Eldar Scrolls metaphor. Yeah. I agree. “Jesus lived a perfect life.” It’s just another fancy way of saying he’s God. Only God could’ve done that, because only God can’t sin.
(Weird thought. If God did sin it wouldn’t be sin, because God is the antithesis of sin. So maybe he has sinned, but it became un-sin. Because God can do whatever he wants.)
greeksister
The point is that the God of the universe- the only one who could be blameless- the one who created the world- died on our behalf. And btw, people (namely Hoffeditz) would argue that he chose to vail his inability to sin and rely on his humanity- otherwise we couldn’t honestly say he was tempted in every way. Hoffeditz argues God’s inability to sin was like a safety thing that would have gone off if he had humanly failed. Not sure if I buy it or not- regardless Scripture says he was tempted- even if I don’t understand how.
the_great_colinski
I’ve often wondered about that. It wasn’t really a big deal that Jesus lived a sinless life, because he did not have the capacity to sin. It is a minute detail, an afterthought, in his reasons for coming to earth. And props for your RPG-esque analogy.
Shilo
BUT — God cannot have sin around Him either, which is why he cannot allow us into heaven except through His Son. The point is, is when Jesus became human — he gained the capacity to sin. Human’s sin, that’s why he had to become human to save us… In Heaven I bet he was never tired or hungry, but as a human he was. Does that make any sense or am I just babbling?
Shilo
sorry…
leahrenee27
i don’t think it’s as irrelevant as you and colin say. (btw EVERY time i’ve typed colin in the past 3 yrs i type “coling” and have to go back and delete the g. what the heck.) the reason i think it’s important (tho i don’t understand how it happened either) is that God includes it in His Word. heb 4.14-15
why would He make a point of it if it wasn’t a big deal? maybe it’s not the biggest point of salvation or what Christ did for us, but it’s significant. ….don’t you think..?
i feel like i’m asking for it. disagreeing w/ you is intimidating cuz i feel like you like to argue about stuff and know more than me and can articulate it better in a more persuasive way. 🙂
nopezforu
why must we try to uncomplicate things? regardless of his diety, yeshua was indeed a man. he was just as human as any of us, making him just as able to sin. if he didn’t have the ability to sin, his sacrifice would have been a lot less meaningful. why would satan temp yeshua after the 40 days in the desert if he didn’t even have the potential to sin? did satan not know yeshua’s nature? that nature is indeed a mystery and i think we must leave it like that, as all hasn’t been revealed yet.
TheFoo
I think part of the point is that His whole life points to revealing who God is and that God does care about his creation in an intangible way. And even with who He was, there was always submission to the God the Father. These are just a couple of thoughts that came to mind when I read yours.
Shilo
to be perfectly honest I have no clue. hahaha.
I stopped to think about it though, and there’s a verse somewhere that states ‘without blood there is no remission of sin’
and then I stopped to think about it some more, and I realized that this whole issue would be a neverending battle since the bible really never states how Jesus was sinless and whatnot.
I stopped to think about it a little more and finally gave up and decided that if it’s not written down, then it’s not the central issue. The issue isn’t really how, it’s why — and why is love. And when I get to Heaven I’ll be sure to ask how for ya.
Anonymous
So why did God have to die, huh? Good point. I don’t think he did have to die, except those were the terms that he invented and so he had to stick with them. But if he had invented different terms? Something other than the shedding of blood?
Ever read C.S. Lewis’s Space Trilogy? (sorry to throw that name around, but …. well he did write it) He talks about this alternate theology stuff a lot.
Anonymous
Yeah, figured you wouldn’t. But you didn’t answer my question. Why did Jesus have to die?
XxwaitingroomxX
Hmm…the point probably has something to do with penguins.
XxwaitingroomxX
haha. Ur the jam.
MarthaStewart32
You need to play less WoW.
XxwaitingroomxX
Sweet deal.
mynameisandrewhearmeroar
i’ve thought about that myself. but a xanga comment is no place to address such things.
….i’ll leave a comment on myspace. haha. just kidding. i don’t have a myspace….nor can i read…..